Ibn ‘Arabi and Ibn Taymiyya on the Hereafter
Shaykh Ahmad ibn Siddiq Ghumari:
Ibn Qayyim provided the proofs for the matter of hell’s coming to an end (fana an-nar) and did so in a perfectly sufficient manner, and some of the great gnostics followed him in this; and he affirmed that a day will come when watercress shall grow therein; although Sha‘rani answered this by saying that this refers solely to the highest lever wherein dwell the sinful believers, not the levels wherein the unbelievers dwell. The evidences regarding this are somewhat conflicting, yet the proofs of the opinion which states that hell will either come to an end in itself – as Ibn Qayyim maintains – or that the pain therein will end whilst the formal image of it remains – as the Shaykh al-Akbar (Ibn ‘Arabi) affirms – are stronger.
The sufficient proof of this is that God’s mercy is more powerful than His wrath, and always takes precedence over it; now this precedence and power would be meaningless if it were left unmanifested and if consequently the manifestation of wrath were not ended. When the manifestation of mercy is revealed to the denizens of hell and the manifestation of wrath ends for them, this will either take the form of the torment (‘adhab) becoming sweetness (‘udhuba) and the pain ending whilst its image remains in order that God’s warning be fulfilled, as the Shaykh al-Akbar maintains, or else it will take the form of the complete end of hell as others maintain. Yet this latter opinion could be reconciled with the opinion of the Shaykh al-Akbar by asserting that the meaning of the end of hell is the passing of its pain and torment, not the formal image of these things which will in fact then become bliss itself. Therefore the two opinions are essentially the same in my view, and this is our inclination – indeed, it is the conviction with which we stand before God Almighty.
And those who look to the inner meaning of this matter will come to know that nothing exists except the Act of God, first and last. As for Taqi ad-Din Subki’s attempted refutation of Ibn Taymiyya in this regard, I gained nothing from it when I read it twenty years ago, except the knowledge that Taqi ad-Din Subki – never mind his son Taj ad-Din – was not what I used to think of him, and certainly not what his son claimed about him. Back then, when I finished reading his work, I wrote a short rebuttal of it, the essence of which was the contention that between Subki and Ibn Taymiyya was a vast gulf of knowledge and strength of reasoning, and that the latter was leagues more knowledgeable than the former.
- Taken from the collected letters of Ahmad ibn Siddiq Ghumari, edited by A. Talidi.
Ahmad in Siddiq Ghumari (1901-1960) was universally acknowledged by scholars of hadith as one of the greatest such scholars of his time; he is known by many as ‘The Final Hafiz’, meaning the final scholar of the Islamic community who could be genuinely said to have earned the rank of hafiz, ‘memoriser’, traditionally given to those who have memorised over one hundred thousand hadiths and their chains of transmission. He was also a Shaykh of the Shadhili-Darqawi-Siddiqi tariqa, following in the footsteps of his father Muhammad ibn Siddiq Ghumari, one of the great Sufi Shaykhs of Moroccan history. He died in Cairo in 1960 and was buried there, God be pleased with him.
21 comments:
As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Sidi,
This article does not seem to be orthodox. It is a very strange view. Are you sure about this?
Depends what you mean by 'orthodox.' The article discusses Ibn Arabi's opinion, which is very famous and can be found in several of his books, including the Futuhat Makkia and the Fusu al-Hikam. Ibjn Taymiyya had a different take on it, and the author of this article perceieved the two opinions to be reconcilable.
The majority of the `Ulama did not hold this opinion. Just like we don't accept one person saying Tawassul is Haram after all the scholars saying it is Mandub, in the same way, we refer to the majority of the scholars in this manner.
As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Sidi,
But according to the 'aqeedah of the Ahl As-Sunnah wa Al-Jamaa'ah (Ash'aris and Maturidis) the hell fire is forever and the chastisement of the kaafir in it is forever as well, it never ends. Only the chastisement of the believer will end by the believer eventually leaving the hell fire and entering into jannah.
Sidi forgive me but I can't accept this as this a serious breach of our 'aqeedah and Allaah SWT Knows best.
As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Sidi,
As well Sidi you should be careful from some of the Ghumari scholars as they tend to have Shi'i and Salafistic tendencies in some of their views as noted by Sidi Gibril Hadad:
The Ghumari School:
http://mac.abc.se/~onesr/f/The%20Ghumari%20School.htm
As I said, it is the opinion of Ibn Arabi. If this is unnaceptable to us personally, that is fair enough; but there are others who are interested in these things who take Ibn Arabi as a strong enough source, and who also may have thought about the matter and looked at the evidences rather than settled for taqlid; I suppose Sheikh Ahmad was one of these, and this is his article on the matter. Referring to the 'majority of the scholars' is always a perilous thing anyway; how many scholars even wrote about this subject? And how many of them were a match for Ibn Arabi metaphyisically, or Ibn Taymiyya theologically?
If you think that Ibn Arabi is unorthodox, you have the right to think that - I translated the article for those who might be interested to see what Sheikh Ahmad had to say about it, especially since he is known for usually being very hostile towards Ibn Taymiyya, yet here he speaks of him favourably concerning this issue. It is a nice instance of objectivity and lack of bias on the part of a scholar (somewhat unjustly) often accused of possessing neither.
How does Shaykh Ahmad reconcile this view with that which the prophet informed us that Allah will not forgive Shirk, but anything less than that. The corollary if this view contradicts that, since then Shaytann, Phiroan, Nimrod etc will all end up in eventual bliss.
Also, ibn Hazm's declaration of consensus regarding the eternality of both abodes.
salaam
As-salamu `alaikum Sidi,
Baraka Allahu feekum. Please continue to bless us with such beautiful gems. Shaikh Nuh Keller mentions this opinion of Shaikh Al-Akbar in his interpreter's log. He asked Shaikh AbdurRahman rahimahu Allah about this and Shaikh AbdurRahman said the Shaikh Al-Akbar was philosophizing. My question is with Shaikh Ahmed Al-Ghumari saying one attribute of Allah's is more powerful than another. Allah does not have some attributes that are stronger than others which would be weaker. Allah's will that His mercy is more than His wrath is not strong and weak, correct Sidi?
As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Sidi,
Baarakallaahu feek for your response. I just wanted to clarify that in no way do I think that Ibn Arabi is unorthodox. If he held that particular opinion then he has the right to do so since it is based upon his personal ijtihaad and should be respected; and as you have said it is "fair enough" that I not adopt this [isolated] opinion [which breaks ijmaa'].
As for Ibn Taymiyyah he is a neo-Hanbali anthropomorphist Hashawi, how can we take his opinions seriously? He has been refuted by many scholars far more superior in scholarship then he was.
As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Sidi,
you said:
Referring to the 'majority of the scholars' is always a perilous thing anyway...
The above statement has somewhat of a Salafi nuance or attitude to it. Can you clarify what you meant by this?
Ya saadati:
As-Salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
In general, I think sinners like me should be wary of such discussions. Even if they were conducted amongst the highest of the 'Awliyaa' and fuqahaa'...
I think the issue for people like us who are trying to be genuine murids on the Spiritual Path is that we don't want even a split-second of hellfire (may Allah ta'ala be our refuge). This is how people like Shaykh al-Akbar (may Allah be well-pleased with him and us through him)got to be amongst the "Qawm", the "Rijaal" and the "`Aarifin". May Allah ta'ala perfect and complete us in the bases and roots of the Path so that we may taste it's fruits in their fullness. Just a reminder for myself. May He, `Azza wa Jall' have mercy on us all...Amin thumma Amin!
Wassalaam.
"My question is with Shaikh Ahmed Al-Ghumari saying one attribute of Allah's is more powerful than another. Allah does not have some attributes that are stronger than others which would be weaker. Allah's will that His mercy is more than His wrath is not strong and weak, correct Sidi?"
The Sheikh is alluding to the famous Hadith in which it is stated that the Throne of God is ascribed with the words 'My mercy precedeth My wrath.' The word for 'precedeth' is 'sabaqat' and the Sheikh uses the same word in his exposition. What he means is that this 'asbaqiyya' (precedence) must have some meaning, otherwise this Hadtih would not exist. God has attributes which are essential and others which are not, according to the Asharis.
"How does Shaykh Ahmad reconcile this view with that which the prophet informed us that Allah will not forgive Shirk, but anything less than that. The corollary if this view contradicts that, since then Shaytann, Phiroan, Nimrod etc will all end up in eventual bliss.
Also, ibn Hazm's declaration of consensus regarding the eternality of both abodes."
Ibn Arabi has a very nuanced argument to explain this; it will take up too much space, but suffice it to say that it is metaphysical in nature and very much rooted in the 'Oneness of Being' which pervades and penetrates all of the Sheikh al-Akbar's thought.
As for Ibn Hazm's claim of consensus: with respect, Ibn Hazm claimed consensus for all kinds of things... Ibn Qayyim answers this in his Hadi al-Arwah; it all comes down to statements of the early Muslims (including the Companions) which bear more than one interpetation; hence no 'ijmaa' can be claimed on this, although many have tried to claim it. This is the case with very many claims scholars have made about ijmaa.
Sidi Darqawi, I think you are mostly correct; to be honest my motivation for this post was less to raise a theological discussion and more to show another side to Sheikh Ahmad Ghumari which I found very interesting when I read it.
As-salamu `alaikum Sidi,
Yes, According to the Asharis, 20 attributes are essential, is that correct? Or some say 13 while the additional 7 are Sifat Al-Ma`anawiyyah i.e Allah ta'Ala has the sifat of Al-`Ilm therefore He is `Aleem. So, since mercy and wrath are not of these essential sifat, one can say mercy is "stronger" and "more powerful" than His wrath?
as-salamu `alaikum
One of the (incorrect) assumptions we are being asked to accept as truth made by shaykh Ahmad in the translated letter is that the view he attributes to shaykh al-akbar is indeed his stance.
In relation to this sidi Ibrahim mentioned elsewhere which I will just quote here:
"Imam Sha'rani went into detail in the final chapters of his Yawaqit wa Jawahir fi Bayan 'Aqa'id al-Akabir, and concluded that the belief about the non-eternality of hell-fire (or of its torment) is *falsely* attribtued to Shaykh Ibn `Arabi, and counts among the other false beliefs attribtued to him."
wAllahu Alam.
its quit interesting and i will be following you future on this post
Thanks for this interesting post sidi. One wishes that people who argue about the Shaykh al-Akbar's views could study them for themselves rather than relying on quotes from other shaykhs,however respected.
I discussed this letter with some brothers, and they expressed some surprise and perhaps doubt about its authenticity as they say Ghumari hated Ibn Taymiyya. Can you please write the name of the publisher, publishing date and place, and any other information about this book? Is it available for sale? Is it available in digital form? Can you post a scanned copy of the relevant page? Who translated this letter? Thanks for your answer in advance.
The book is called 'al-Fatawa wa al-Rasa'il al-Sughra al-Musamma: Darr al-Ghamam al-Raqiq bi-Rasa'il al-Shaykh al-Sayyid Ahmad ibn al-Siddiq'
The letters were collected by Abd Allah ibn Abd al-Qadir al-Talidi.
Published by Sheikh Talidi himself, 2000. The book is easily available in bookshops in Morocco; I believe it was released by the Siddiqiyya Zawiya in Tangiers.
There is no doubt it is authentic; Sheikh Talidi was one of Sheikh Ahmad's closest students, and would certainly not publsih anything he felt to be inauthentic. What adds further strength to this is the fact that Sheikh Talidi himself does not agree with this opinion and writes in a footnote that he does not, and asks Allah to forgive Sheikh Ahmad for writing it. If he felt there was any possibility at all that these were not truly Sheikh Ahmad's words, he obviously would not have included them in the collected letters.
(The letter itself was translated by me, specifically for this blog. The entire book has not been translated.)
Assalamalaykum,
I was researching this issue quite a bit and I stumbled on your post through google. I have 2 questions in regards to it:
1) Is it true that Ibn Arabi was spiritually intoxicated when making such claims about Hell? I read this on this website: http://www.myreligionislam.com/detail.asp?Aid=5972
2) Do you have any more information regarding these opinions related to Ibn Arabi? I would much appreciate it.
Oh, one more question, if you know the answer:
how does Ibn Arabi explain the torment becoming sweetness when Allah says in the Qur'an:
فَذُوقُوا فَلَن نَّزِيدَكُمْ إِلَّا عَذَابًا
"So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds); for no increase shall We grant you, except in Punishment." [Surah An-Naba 78:30]
I am not trying to be challenging here. I am just wondering.
Alaykum Salam Jibreel,
About your first post:
(1) I understand why some would like to see this as a 'state of intoxication' - they are having husn a-lzann with the Sheikh concerning something they do not agree with - but this seems to me highly unlikely, since the Futuhat was Ibn Arabi's magnum opus, written over many years and revised often; it does not contain spur-of-the-moment passages. Allah knows best.
(2)There is this article by the Ibn Arabi scholar William Chittick, which goes into a bit: http://www.scribd.com/doc/54251619/Ibn-Arabi-Eschatology
Other than that, there are of course the commentaries on the Fusus and so on, if you know Arabic.
About your second post and the aya of Qur'an, this goes back to the question of the nature of the people of Hell. For Ibn Arabi, the 'torment' remains the same; it is the nature of the denizens of Hell which changes. This is a subtle point and not easy to understand - it is not simply saying that Hell will end, or become like Paradise. For the Shaykh al-Akbar, Hell remains Hell. Allah save us from it!
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